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Poster: Purple Gel Date: May 1, 2007 3:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The sky is falling! Oh, wait, No it is the Ice Caps are melting!! (Non-Dead) Re: Mixing Politics and Science.

Normally I ignore non Dead posts, and I am loathe to get embroiled in political issues. However, since this is really a scientific issue wrapped as a political one, I will make this one exception.

I think this report illustrates that (as has been reported by various news organizations) the recent report on global warming was watered down and the statistics were skewed towards "best case scenarios" as a result of political pressure from those who continue to insist (despite overwhelming evidence and overwhelming agreement in scientific circles) that global warming is either a myth or is a phenomenon that is not caused by human actions. These people with their heads in the sand include, but are not limited to, powerful interests in the carbon based energy industry who have the ear of the top people in the current administration, and of course members of the administration and various media members who have their own short sighted agendas.

Unfortunately this is a problem which will get exponentially worse the more we put off positive action. Just like the soaring deficits, most of us will not live to see the most dire consequences of our current path. It is our children and grandchildren who will pay the price and inherit the planetary social, political and health problems that our shortsightedness likely will bring.

This issue is a perfect example of why politics and science so often do not mix. For those interested, I would highly recommend the documentary "Who Killed The Electric Car". It tells a chilling tale of how Corporations and Government can conspire to stop positivelong term action for short term gains

This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2007-05-01 22:49:29

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Poster: rastamon Date: May 1, 2007 5:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The sky is falling! Oh, wait, No it is the Ice Caps are melting!! (Non-Dead) Re: Mixing Politics and Science.

more about warmin
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070428170229.htm

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Poster: midnight sun Date: May 1, 2007 5:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The sky is falling! Oh, wait, No it is the Ice Caps are melting!! (Non-Dead) Re: Mixing Politics and Science.

"If sufficiently large amounts of fresh water are supplied to the North Atlantic, such as from melting ice-sheets or major increases in precipitation, the deep-water formation, and hence the transport of warm surface water from the south, may cease or at least decrease substantially."

ya, that might buy northern Europe and northeast Canada a couple of extra years...the Swedish study makes no mention of the people in the south who will be losing years due to stagnant ocean currents

buy real estate in “Greenland”

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Poster: midnight sun Date: May 1, 2007 3:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The sky is falling! Oh, wait, No it is the Ice Caps are melting!! (Non-Dead)

agree

and for the fools that complain about the "costs", even if you don't value your own life or the lives of your offspring, do you not realize that unchecked global warming carries a far greater economic price tag?

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: May 1, 2007 4:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The sky is falling! Oh, wait, No it is the Ice Caps are melting!! (Non-Dead)

Midnight,

You are absolutely right about the ultimate costs of our inaction. Another point is that there is tons of money to be made transforming our society from a carbon spewing culture to a "green" culture, and after all that is what capitalism is all about.

In a related note, my son, Dylan, is graduating from HS this month. He is getting a free ride from CU Boulder, and of course his mother and I could not be any prouder. His goal is to graduate with a degree in Chemical Engineering and a masters in environmental engineering. Two of the most brilliant people I know, his Grandfather (my Dad), a chem Engineer, and his uncle (my older brother), an enviro engineer, both told him that the field of Environmental Management/Engineering is going to be one of the most important, and lucrative fields of the next century as mankind begins to address this issue and clean up the mess it has made.

Even my father (who retired 15 yrs ago as a senior VP of the worlds 4th largest oil company) recognizes the importance of this issue and believes that our generation will be judged on how we react to and handle global warming. This will be our legacy for good or bad!!

This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2007-05-01 23:14:53

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: May 1, 2007 4:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The sky is falling! Oh, wait, No it is the Ice Caps are melting!! (Non-Dead)

The stupid oil companies should have jumped on this and started the conversion years ago. But that would have eliminated the need to have boots on the ground in the middle east... Oil prices are our jizya fees.

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Poster: spacedface Date: May 2, 2007 3:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The sky is falling! Oh, wait, No it is the Ice Caps are melting!! (Non-Dead)

Wasn't the jizyah tax lower than the Roman Empire tax?

Now, who benefits from taxes and is exempt from paying these days? Unfortunately for most of us, there is no free market but instead an artificial system of price supports and payoffs. If markets are to work, goods must reflect actual prices as much as possible.

Yours truly,

Spacedface
Sabbath Goyim and Sons